When I was at ArchConf 2015 in Fort Lauderdale, I had a conversation with Michael Carducci around the issue of how to solve real problems without reading code. As usual, I argued that code reading is the single most expensive activity in software development and that we ought to pay more attention to it.

This conversation appeared recently on the No Fluff Just Stuff podcast. I had a funny hoarse voice because I had a cold and the recording took place late in the evening after having given four long talks during that day.